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		<title>By: عکس بازیگران</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-272361</link>
		<dc:creator>عکس بازیگران</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; Funambol - AGPL&#8217;d, ad-supported mobile open source</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-226556</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; Funambol - AGPL&#8217;d, ad-supported mobile open source</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] down in sharing requirements? Steger says the move appears to be paying off given Funambol was among the first to adopt the AGPLv3 and adoption of the license is now [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; Is the AGPL half-empty, or half-full?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-224999</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; Is the AGPL half-empty, or half-full?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] asked who would follow when Funambol promptly adopted AGPLv3 last November touting the advantages of true GPL development [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; Census started for enterprise open source use</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-224031</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; Census started for enterprise open source use</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] identify open source packages, OSS Discovery is licensed under the new Affero GPLv3 (AGPLv3) for open source SaaS. It can be downloaded from CollabNet, where the open source discovery tool is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] identify open source packages, OSS Discovery is licensed under the new Affero GPLv3 (AGPLv3) for open source SaaS. It can be downloaded from CollabNet, where the open source discovery tool is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; Facebook opens up, but misses opening</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-220758</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; Facebook opens up, but misses opening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for network deployment and how software works today. This makes sense, but it also makes me wonder why not the Affero [...]</description>
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		<title>By: OpenGTS - full-featured GPS tracking system (1.6.1) ([News from TuxMobil.org])</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-129059</link>
		<dc:creator>OpenGTS - full-featured GPS tracking system (1.6.1) ([News from TuxMobil.org])</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Funambol&#39;s Open Source SaaS Steps?   In Rubrik Mobile Graphik von admin Permalink &#8226;&#160;Print&#8226;&#160;Email [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-128713</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, considering open source software available at SourceForge, the percentage covereed by the GPL is about 64%, that goes up to 75% if you consider also LGPL. While I agree that SourceForge is not the only repository, I believe that it provides a rough estimation of how much FLOSS is GPL.


I understand and I hope individual (independent) developers could shift to the AGPL in the next future. But what about mainstream projects? As long as they are developed by big firms' employers how many chance to see them going AGPL? As you know over the year and a half public consultation process big firms were all agreeing on not closing the GPL loophole.

The only way to close the GPL loophole was to fix it within the GPL, when Richard's power was absolute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, considering open source software available at SourceForge, the percentage covereed by the GPL is about 64%, that goes up to 75% if you consider also LGPL. While I agree that SourceForge is not the only repository, I believe that it provides a rough estimation of how much FLOSS is GPL.</p>
<p>I understand and I hope individual (independent) developers could shift to the AGPL in the next future. But what about mainstream projects? As long as they are developed by big firms&#8217; employers how many chance to see them going AGPL? As you know over the year and a half public consultation process big firms were all agreeing on not closing the GPL loophole.</p>
<p>The only way to close the GPL loophole was to fix it within the GPL, when Richard&#8217;s power was absolute.</p>
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		<title>By: The451Group: Who Will Follow Funambol&#39;s Open Source SaaS Steps? ([News from TuxMobil.org])</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-128331</link>
		<dc:creator>The451Group: Who Will Follow Funambol&#39;s Open Source SaaS Steps? ([News from TuxMobil.org])</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Open Source SaaS Steps? read it all&#8230;  In Rubrik Linux-News von admin Permalink &#8226;&#160;Print&#8226;&#160;Email [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Linux Compatible Computer Parts &#187; The451Group: Who Will Follow Funambol&#8217;s Open Source SaaS Steps?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-128243</link>
		<dc:creator>Linux Compatible Computer Parts &#187; The451Group: Who Will Follow Funambol&#8217;s Open Source SaaS Steps?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Full story: Werner Heuser (wehe at tuxmobil.org) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Lyman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-125067</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Lyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Roberto.

I agree we might not see anything major from Google go GPLv3 or AGPLv3 anytime soon. However, Google certainly develops a lot of different software for a lot of different stuff. There will be ample opportunity for such a move if the company so chooses.

It will be interesting to see what players such as Google do in regards to AGPLv3, particularly if and when we see some of the key development and distribution advantages cited by Funambol. 

In terms of Android and the OEM groups, I would also agree that fragmentation is among the most applicable words. However, as in the case of Linux, GPL licensing has proven to be an effective way to help overcome fragmentation and achieve true collaboration.

JL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Roberto.</p>
<p>I agree we might not see anything major from Google go GPLv3 or AGPLv3 anytime soon. However, Google certainly develops a lot of different software for a lot of different stuff. There will be ample opportunity for such a move if the company so chooses.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what players such as Google do in regards to AGPLv3, particularly if and when we see some of the key development and distribution advantages cited by Funambol. </p>
<p>In terms of Android and the OEM groups, I would also agree that fragmentation is among the most applicable words. However, as in the case of Linux, GPL licensing has proven to be an effective way to help overcome fragmentation and achieve true collaboration.</p>
<p>JL</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-125064</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, I can hardly see SaaS champions like Google shifting to AGPL. As Bruce Perens argued:

&lt;blockquote cite="http://perens.com/Articles/Economic.html"&gt;
it would be a mistake to Open Source your business differentiators, because then your competitor's business might use them to become as desirable to the customer as your own business.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course they might want to share some non-differentiating software, as they are actually doing now, but they don’t need the AGPL for this. On the contrary going AGPL would require the adoption od software architectures API-based in order to avoid the risk of being obliged to make public differentiating software.

Android it’s a different story. GPL was the right way to go, no doubt. But what about going to ask OEMs to join the club saying them that they would have got less (commercial) freedom than with windows mobile? I understand it wasn’t easy at all, but shall this technological club stay united? Fragmentation seems to be a keyword when talking about mobile..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, I can hardly see SaaS champions like Google shifting to AGPL. As Bruce Perens argued:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://perens.com/Articles/Economic.html"><p>
it would be a mistake to Open Source your business differentiators, because then your competitor&#8217;s business might use them to become as desirable to the customer as your own business.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course they might want to share some non-differentiating software, as they are actually doing now, but they don’t need the AGPL for this. On the contrary going AGPL would require the adoption od software architectures API-based in order to avoid the risk of being obliged to make public differentiating software.</p>
<p>Android it’s a different story. GPL was the right way to go, no doubt. But what about going to ask OEMs to join the club saying them that they would have got less (commercial) freedom than with windows mobile? I understand it wasn’t easy at all, but shall this technological club stay united? Fragmentation seems to be a keyword when talking about mobile..</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-124991</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay I can hardly see SaaS champions like Google shifting to AGPL. &lt;a href="http://perens.com/Articles/Economic.html" title="Bruce Perens earlier argued" rel="nofollow"&gt; &lt;blockquote cite="it would be a mistake to Open Source your business differentiators, because then your competitor's business might use them to become as desirable to the customer as your own business"&gt;.

Of course they might want to share some non-differentiating software, as they are actually doing now, but they don't need the AGPL for this. On the contrary going AGPL would require the adoption od software architectures API-based in order to avoid the risk of being obliged to make public differentiating software.

Android it's a different story. GPL was the right way to go, no doubt. But what about going to ask OEMs to join the club saying them that they would have got less (commercial) freedom than with windows mobile? I understand it wasn't easy at all, but shall this technological club stay united? Fragmentation seems to be a keyword when talking about mobile..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay I can hardly see SaaS champions like Google shifting to AGPL. <a href="http://perens.com/Articles/Economic.html" title="Bruce Perens earlier argued" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote cite="it would be a mistake to Open Source your business differentiators, because then your competitor's business might use them to become as desirable to the customer as your own business">.</p>
<p>Of course they might want to share some non-differentiating software, as they are actually doing now, but they don&#8217;t need the AGPL for this. On the contrary going AGPL would require the adoption od software architectures API-based in order to avoid the risk of being obliged to make public differentiating software.</p>
<p>Android it&#8217;s a different story. GPL was the right way to go, no doubt. But what about going to ask OEMs to join the club saying them that they would have got less (commercial) freedom than with windows mobile? I understand it wasn&#8217;t easy at all, but shall this technological club stay united? Fragmentation seems to be a keyword when talking about mobile..</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Who will follow Funambol’s open source SaaS steps? &#8212; Google Android</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-124208</link>
		<dc:creator>Who will follow Funambol’s open source SaaS steps? &#8212; Google Android</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: karlisle &#187; Who will follow Funambol’s open source SaaS steps?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/11/27/who-will-follow-funambols-open-source-saas-steps/#comment-124028</link>
		<dc:creator>karlisle &#187; Who will follow Funambol’s open source SaaS steps?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here&#8217;s a quick excerpt Funambol’s move to adopt the new GNU Affero GPLv3 (AGPLv3) has some interesting implications for the mobile open source software player. It will be even more interesting, though, to see whether other open source SaaS players follow Funambol’s lead. What will be the impacts of closing open source software’s loopholes? Funambol describes AGPLv3 as ‘the open source license of the future’ because it aligns with the modern trend of SaaS. Funambol believes, as does the Free Software Foundation, that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here&#8217;s a quick excerpt Funambol’s move to adopt the new GNU Affero GPLv3 (AGPLv3) has some interesting implications for the mobile open source software player. It will be even more interesting, though, to see whether other open source SaaS players follow Funambol’s lead. What will be the impacts of closing open source software’s loopholes? Funambol describes AGPLv3 as ‘the open source license of the future’ because it aligns with the modern trend of SaaS. Funambol believes, as does the Free Software Foundation, that [...]</p>
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