Comments on: Is FOSS heading for an identity crisis? http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/ A blog for the enterprise open source community Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:00:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: 451 CAOS Theory » Is social responsibility the key to corporate contributions? http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-241943 451 CAOS Theory » Is social responsibility the key to corporate contributions? Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:05:56 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-241943 [...] the key to corporate contributions? Matthew Aslett, July 8, 2008 @ 7:05 am ET Some time ago I wondered aloud whether free and open source software might one day follow environmentalism from being dismissed as [...] [...] the key to corporate contributions? Matthew Aslett, July 8, 2008 @ 7:05 am ET Some time ago I wondered aloud whether free and open source software might one day follow environmentalism from being dismissed as [...]

]]> By: 451 CAOS Theory » Trouble in paradise? http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-229629 451 CAOS Theory » Trouble in paradise? Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:14:43 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-229629 [...] have previously observed a growing animosity of some sectors of the open source software user community towards commercial [...] [...] have previously observed a growing animosity of some sectors of the open source software user community towards commercial [...]

]]> By: 451 CAOS Theory » Bruce Perens draws his line in the sand http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-224996 451 CAOS Theory » Bruce Perens draws his line in the sand Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:04:59 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-224996 [...] mentioned recently that “As many mainstream IT vendors respond not by adopting open source methodologies but by [...] [...] mentioned recently that “As many mainstream IT vendors respond not by adopting open source methodologies but by [...]

]]> By: Open Source Unleashed http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-208622 Open Source Unleashed Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:29:46 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-208622 <strong>Thoughts on an (impending) identity crisis for FOSS...</strong> For those who may not be aware, Matthew Aslett (one of my personal favorite blogging analysts) has tendered a strong post titled "Is FOSS heading for an identity crisis?"I thought the points raised therein are well-stated and spot-on, especially the.... Thoughts on an (impending) identity crisis for FOSS…

For those who may not be aware, Matthew Aslett (one of my personal favorite blogging analysts) has tendered a strong post titled “Is FOSS heading for an identity crisis?”I thought the points raised therein are well-stated and spot-on, especially the….

]]> By: Open Source Unleashed http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-208616 Open Source Unleashed Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:25:16 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-208616 <strong>Thoughts on an (impending) identity crisis for FOSS...</strong> For those who may not be aware, Matthew Aslett (one of my personal favorite blogging analysts) has tendered a strong post titled Is FOSS heading for an identity crisis?I thought the points raised therein are well-stated and spot-on, especially the... Thoughts on an (impending) identity crisis for FOSS…

For those who may not be aware, Matthew Aslett (one of my personal favorite blogging analysts) has tendered a strong post titled Is FOSS heading for an identity crisis?I thought the points raised therein are well-stated and spot-on, especially the…

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206807 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:57:57 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206807 Hi, My prejudice is based on his attacks against critics of SCO claims and Microsoft claims. I suppose you heard about "Show Us the Code". Like several others, I consider his 'covert ops' and his role (alongside Sam R) in EclipseCon is trouble. Hi,

My prejudice is based on his attacks against critics of SCO claims and Microsoft claims. I suppose you heard about “Show Us the Code”. Like several others, I consider his ‘covert ops’ and his role (alongside Sam R) in EclipseCon is trouble.

]]> By: Matthew Aslett http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206508 Matthew Aslett Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:23:21 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206508 Just because you don't agree with his comments, it does not mean they should be ignored. Just because you don’t agree with his comments, it does not mean they should be ignored.

]]> By: Matthew Aslett http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206507 Matthew Aslett Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:22:29 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206507 "FOSS software is heading towards an identity crisis because of the increasing adoption by the mainstream public?" Not because of increased adoption, no. I tried to avoid using the word adoption in the post in order to avoid confusion. "If by identity crisis you mean incomplete compliance of the ideals of the OSS movement, you may have a point." That is exactly what I am talking about. "Also, why do you present false dilemmas? Do those that believe in the principles of open source inherently have a problem with OSS being adopted by the mainstream?" No, that's not what I meant. "Do propronents of OSS require to compromise their belief in order to be further assimilated into the mainstream?" Perhaps, yes. I was raising a hypothetical question to that effect. “FOSS software is heading towards an identity crisis because of the increasing adoption by the mainstream public?”

Not because of increased adoption, no. I tried to avoid using the word adoption in the post in order to avoid confusion.

“If by identity crisis you mean incomplete compliance of the ideals of the OSS movement, you may have a point.”

That is exactly what I am talking about.

“Also, why do you present false dilemmas? Do those that believe in the principles of open source inherently have a problem with OSS being adopted by the mainstream?”

No, that’s not what I meant.

“Do propronents of OSS require to compromise their belief in order to be further assimilated into the mainstream?”

Perhaps, yes. I was raising a hypothetical question to that effect.

]]> By: Namae http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206503 Namae Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:45:54 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206503 FOSS software is heading towards an identity crisis because of the increasing adoption by the mainstream public? I fail to understand what identity FOSS software currently has or how that identity changes because of increasing adoption. If by identity crisis you mean incomplete compliance of the ideals of the OSS movement, you may have a point. There are many companies hawking software products that claim to be open but have some sort of restriction that makes it incompatible with the open source definition. A good example is the Appistry EAF community program that restricts the number of computers that the user is allowed to run the program. It's as if they wanted to hop on the Open Source bandwagon without actually releasing their products as Open Source. Also, why do you present false dilemmas? Do those that believe in the principles of open source inherently have a problem with OSS being adopted by the mainstream? Do propronents of OSS require to compromise their belief in order to be further assimilated into the mainstream? FOSS software is heading towards an identity crisis because of the increasing adoption by the mainstream public? I fail to understand what identity FOSS software currently has or how that identity changes because of increasing adoption.

If by identity crisis you mean incomplete compliance of the ideals of the OSS movement, you may have a point. There are many companies hawking software products that claim to be open but have some sort of restriction that makes it incompatible with the open source definition. A good example is the Appistry EAF community program that restricts the number of computers that the user is allowed to run the program. It’s as if they wanted to hop on the Open Source bandwagon without actually releasing their products as Open Source.

Also, why do you present false dilemmas? Do those that believe in the principles of open source inherently have a problem with OSS being adopted by the mainstream? Do propronents of OSS require to compromise their belief in order to be further assimilated into the mainstream?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206249 Roy Schestowitz Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:42:24 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206249 When will people finally learn to stop quoting an anti-FOSS brigadier, let alone invite him to a FOSS show? *sigh* When will people finally learn to stop quoting an anti-FOSS brigadier, let alone invite him to a FOSS show? *sigh*

]]> By: Business Intelligence Analysis and Commentary http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206200 Business Intelligence Analysis and Commentary Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:21:22 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-206200 <strong>The Top 100 Analyst Blogs by Technobabble 2.0...</strong> Congratulations to those who made the top 100. 1 Web Strategy by Jeremiah 10 30 29 19 88 2 Compete Blog... The Top 100 Analyst Blogs by Technobabble 2.0…

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]]> By: Matthew Aslett http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-205871 Matthew Aslett Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:31:39 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-205871 Sam Ramji's article explains how Microsoft applied not only modular architecture but also programming language agnostic, feedback-driven development, built-for-purpose systems, sysadmins who write code, and standards-based communication. As I stated, Microsoft taken aspects of open source development and applied it to its own proprietary development.It wasn't supposed to be an example of the IT world *adopting* FOSS practices, it was an example of some of he benefits of FOSS being *assimilated* by the mainstream. There is a difference. Sam Ramji’s article explains how Microsoft applied not only modular architecture but also programming language agnostic, feedback-driven development, built-for-purpose systems, sysadmins who write code, and standards-based communication. As I stated, Microsoft taken aspects of open source development and applied it to its own proprietary development.It wasn’t supposed to be an example of the IT world *adopting* FOSS practices, it was an example of some of he benefits of FOSS being *assimilated* by the mainstream. There is a difference.

]]> By: Hans Bezemer http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-205748 Hans Bezemer Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:41:34 +0000 http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/03/12/is-foss-heading-for-an-identity-crisis/#comment-205748 You're mixing up several things - which is not good. Microsoft has learned very little from the FOSS business model. The article at Port 25 (a big no-no for FOSS supporters) only shows that Microsoft has adapted a modular architecture, which is hardly typically FOSS. With a bit of imagination you can say it is Unix-like. But Unix does not equal FOSS by definition. ReactOS is FOSS, but tries to imitate the Microsoft architecture. The only thing that resembles FOSS with a stretch of imagination is that MS now allows 3rd parties to develop modules. Still, those modules can be closed source. In short, are you sure you know what you're talking about? There are better examples that the IT world adopts *real* FOSS practices and business models after all. You’re mixing up several things - which is not good. Microsoft has learned very little from the FOSS business model. The article at Port 25 (a big no-no for FOSS supporters) only shows that Microsoft has adapted a modular architecture, which is hardly typically FOSS. With a bit of imagination you can say it is Unix-like. But Unix does not equal FOSS by definition. ReactOS is FOSS, but tries to imitate the Microsoft architecture. The only thing that resembles FOSS with a stretch of imagination is that MS now allows 3rd parties to develop modules. Still, those modules can be closed source.

In short, are you sure you know what you’re talking about? There are better examples that the IT world adopts *real* FOSS practices and business models after all.

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