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Red Hat-Ubuntu pairing would have potential

Jay Lyman, April 24, 2008 @ 12:58 pm ET

I’m starting to see some big potential for symbiosis between two Linux and open source leaders: Red Hat and Ubuntu. Red Hat’s departure from the consumer desktop Linux market comes at the same time Ubuntu continues rolling in the same market with the release of Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron this week. The latest Ubuntu also comes in a server version that continues distributor Canonical’s aspirations for enterprise servers. While it has been a struggle to sign OEMs for pre-installation, Canonical appears to be on the right track with regard to certification from the biggies. Still, Ubuntu’s server challenge is a big one, and it comes in a Linux market where Red Hat rules the roost.

All of this is happening at a time when the use and management of server and desktop computers is coming together through virtualization and continued mixing of operating systems and server/desktop deployment. This makes me wonder if Red Hat could help Ubuntu on the server with greater support and integration of the ‘other’ Linux. Why would Red Hat do such a thing? We already see the company, wisely, offering deeper integration and support for Windows — why would they do that? The answer is reality. Enterprise datacenters and even divisions rarely run one OS, let alone Linux. There are typically Windows and others in play and there is also much greater acceptance and use of Linux, which has become less exotic and more like any other OS in the datacenter. Let’s remember too that choice and flexibility are no longer customer requests, they are expectations, and every major server vendor supports at least some OS variety.

Red Hat could also benefit from greater integration with and support for Ubuntu desktops. While Ubuntu leads among Linux consumers, it is also gaining more significance for the enterprise desktop. I believe Red Hat may be underestimating the impact of consumer desktop choices when it says it wants to leave that market alone. Ubuntu is thriving there, and it is also leveraging its desktop popularity and prowess to push further into enterprise desktops. By partnering with Canonical and building ties between Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Ubuntu desktops, Red Hat could harness Ubuntu’s popularity among technical fans (admins anyone?), consumers and enterprise users. This would only help Ubuntu’s uptake in the enterprise desktop market, and I believe there is potential for enterprise and consumer desktop success to feed off each other. I also believe this would bolster Ubuntu’s server efforts, paricularly as desktop management moves from the help desk to the datacenter.

These factors — plus the fact that a Red Hat-Ubuntu relationship is far more palatable to the larger FOSS community than say, a similar arrangement with Microsoft — lead me to believe the two Linux organizations have opportunity in banding together. Sure, they’ve differed in the past and even more recently, but I would argue Red Hat and Canonical are similar enough to produce some synergy and round out their respective open source offerings.

Red Hat and Ubuntu also have a striking similarity that could be integral to any kind of relationship, whether focused on the server, the desktop, management, virtualization or all of the above. That similarity is community. The community development of Red Hat’s Linux is often cited by those inside open source as a key to the company’s success. It has kept the community relatively happy with direction and development, and has kept them busy producing features and functionality in enterprise demand. It is Ubuntu’s community development that is often credited not only with the Linux flavor’s technical and feature advancement, but also its popularity among FOSS fans. The combination of these two communities is perhaps the most compelling argument for collaboration between them.

Maybe it’s just that I wrote a couple of reports back-to-back on the two companies and their opportunities and challenges, but I do believe Red Hat and Ubuntu could help one another and, in doing so, strengthen one another, Linux and open source in the enterprise.

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[...] Red Hat-Ubuntu pairing would have potential [...]

 
Collapse Comment by Robert Devi, April 25, 2008 1:36 pm

I doubt anything formal would ever happen. Both communities are too different and their expectations are different.

That being said, Ubuntu and Fedora (the test bed for Red Hat’s Server Offerings) have slowly been increasing their collaboration. Each is feeding off the expertise of the other without loosing what makes both unique.

Collapse Comment by Jay Lyman, April 25, 2008 2:31 pm

Thanks for posting, Robert.

You may be right, and I have NOT received indications from either vendor that this is a likely direction for them. It’s just something that came to me after writing about both companies, their opportunities and challenges.

Interesting and good to see cross-community collaboration occurring between Fedora and Ubuntu. They have much to gain and little to nothing to lose, imho.

JL

 
 
Collapse Comment by Chris, April 25, 2008 3:17 pm

This would be wonderful for the community. I use Red Hat machines for servers, and Ubuntu machines for desktops. They really do go hand and hand. This is a win win situation for both companies, Red Hat gets a desktop system, which they recently abandoned, and canonical gets a server base that is already tried and true.

 
Collapse Comment by nuna, April 25, 2008 3:52 pm

You are forgetting that, from inception, Mark Shuttleworth leveraged his considerable wealth to buy market share for his (now binary incompatible) Debian variant. A move that obviously was made with the intent to make Ubuntu the de-facto GNU-Linux standard desktop (now ALL types) core distro. This is obvious even in his latest interviews where he is asking for all the distro’s to sync their release schedules to his.

Not convinced? How about the fact that Canonical (canon) means CORE/STANDARD.

Getting any closer to his direct competitors is highly unlikely to happen. They will simply continue wrist-wrestling in the locker-room to determine who will ultimately be the captain of the GNU/Linux team, and that will delay serious uptake of FOSS to the masses for quite some time. Allowing Apple to pick much more of the Vista malcontents than they would if the community was working in cooperation.

Perhaps MS isn’t quite the altruistic FOSS champion nearly everyone gives him credit for. Maybe he is just another corporate opportunist/predator with a plausible FOSS friendly front. Will be interesting to see if he sells out the community when he achieves his objective, and to who. Selling his last business is where he got the money to start Ubuntu.

A non-competitive community core desktop distro is the only viable approach the will ever ensure that no-one corporate predators will gain effective ownership and control of desktop GNU/Linux through, what will be, the tipping point market share. Gaining that market momentum by any one of the commercial core-distros is the ultimate weakness (Achilles-Heel) of the GNU-GPL. Once again, then, coders will be working for the benefit of whomever for free, just like many are doing for the Microsoft monopoloy now.

Collapse Comment by unap, April 26, 2008 3:13 am

Nuna, communities will not grow very fast if you believe everyone is hiding a knife behind their back. Communities need to be based on trust and taking people on their actions, not mistrust and conspiracy theories. If anyone decides they suddenly want to knife the baby then the GPL always provides a way out of that situation, the community can fork. All you do by assuming that sense of mistrust is to jump right into the hands of proprietry software companies who’d very much like the business around FOSS to disappear and for it to solely be something for hobbyists.

 
 
Collapse Comment by Kenneth, April 25, 2008 11:06 pm

Red Hat already has a desktop product to go with their server product, RHEL 5 Desktop. It is much simpler to manage RHEL 5 server/desktop combo than to throw a different system in the works. Really I do not see the announcement to mean anything to Red Hats business.

 
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[...] 451 CAOS Theory » Red Hat-Ubuntu pairing would have potential - “I’m starting to see some big potential for symbiosis between two Linux and open source leaders: Red Hat and Ubuntu. Red Hat’s departure from the consumer desktop Linux market comes at the same time Ubuntu continues rolling in the same market with the release of Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron this week…” [...]

 
Collapse Comment by ajax, April 28, 2008 2:50 pm

Red Hat’s departure from the consumer desktop Linux market [...]

This is misleading. Red Hat hasn’t had anything even remotely resembling a consumer desktop product in five years. It’s not really accurate to call a five-year absence a “departure” as though it was some new thing.

(Full disclosure: I work for Red Hat on the desktop team.)

Collapse Comment by Jay Lyman, April 28, 2008 3:07 pm

Thanks for posting, Ajax.

Perhaps it was a poor choice of wording to say Red Hat’s ‘departure’ from consumer desktop Linux. ‘Continued turning away’ from consumer desktop Linux would probably be more accurate, and the company did come out with a statement indicating it is NOT working here.

Since you’re on the desktop team, I’m curious whether you think Red Hat may be missing or underestimating the enterprise desktop effects of consumer desktop use?

JL

Collapse Comment by ajax, April 29, 2008 4:48 pm

Minor clarification: we said no traditional consumer desktop. Being a Windows 95 clone isn’t interesting. But the usage model is shifting, and there’s plenty of opportunity there.

I’m pretty sure we understand the effect of hobbyist, consumer, and educational usage on enterprise purchasing. Part of the reason we invest so much into Fedora is because we want to grow Linux everywhere. That includes enabling consumer technologies, even if they’re not immediately applicable to our enterprise products. We have to do Fedora anyway to develop and test the things that become Red Hat Enterprise Linux. But we recognize that there are many other things in the world that people use Linux for, and we try to make Fedora usable for that too. And if doing that comes up with something new and cool that would make a really great consumer product, so much the better. Even if it doesn’t, we’re still growing our enterprise product, and we’re getting Linux into the hands of the people who want to run it but won’t (or can’t) pay for it.

Our challenge is coming up with a consumer product, desktop or otherwise, that we believe to be economically viable. That we don’t have one is not an indication that we’re not looking for one.

Collapse Comment by Jay Lyman, April 29, 2008 5:05 pm

Good answer. No question the consumer market can be elusive, especially when you’re in the business of making money ;). Thanks for responding.

JL

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