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	<title>Comments on: Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source?</title>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; Why Oracle&#8217;s donation of OpenOffice disappoints</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-566636</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; Why Oracle&#8217;s donation of OpenOffice disappoints</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by not making this move sooner, Oracle has again demonstrated that it does not appreciate or accept the broader community benefits of open source software. It ties open source investment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; Implications, questions on SUSE Linux, but not the end</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-545386</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; Implications, questions on SUSE Linux, but not the end</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unclear, it&#8217;s more than we saw from Oracle on OpenSolaris, which illustrated Oracle&#8217;s challenges with open source communities. Nevertheless, the fact that Novell has been such a significant [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] unclear, it&#8217;s more than we saw from Oracle on OpenSolaris, which illustrated Oracle&#8217;s challenges with open source communities. Nevertheless, the fact that Novell has been such a significant [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; From Sun OpenSSO comes ForgeRock OpenAM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-531121</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; From Sun OpenSSO comes ForgeRock OpenAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 15:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sun OpenSSO comes ForgeRock OpenAM Jay Lyman, May 13, 2010 @ 11:58 am ET  We&#8217;ve long wondered what might happen to all of that open source software from Sun Microsystems now that it&#8217;s at Oracle? Obviously, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sun OpenSSO comes ForgeRock OpenAM Jay Lyman, May 13, 2010 @ 11:58 am ET  We&#8217;ve long wondered what might happen to all of that open source software from Sun Microsystems now that it&#8217;s at Oracle? Obviously, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gtirloni</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-529778</link>
		<dc:creator>gtirloni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In light of the recent license transition for Solaris (90-day trial) and the lack of much communication from Oracle regarding OpenSolaris, 451 couldn`t be more right on the target with this post. I had no doubt that Sun got the open source model but was afraid to fully embrace it in some places. I also have no doubt that Oracle doesn&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In light of the recent license transition for Solaris (90-day trial) and the lack of much communication from Oracle regarding OpenSolaris, 451 couldn`t be more right on the target with this post. I had no doubt that Sun got the open source model but was afraid to fully embrace it in some places. I also have no doubt that Oracle doesn&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; VMware-SpringSource about cloud, competition, open source in that order</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-445311</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; VMware-SpringSource about cloud, competition, open source in that order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] subscription software company than as an open source software company. Either way, it seems VMware, similar to Oracle, may have somewhat limited vision when it comes to open source software, seeing it for its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] subscription software company than as an open source software company. Either way, it seems VMware, similar to Oracle, may have somewhat limited vision when it comes to open source software, seeing it for its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; The ODF story - one year later</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-435444</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; The ODF story - one year later</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been some speculation Oracle could leverage OO.o to work against Microsoft. Following some of my initial thinking on Oracle-Sun, I had feared OO.o would be largely overlooked and left to its own community to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been some speculation Oracle could leverage OO.o to work against Microsoft. Following some of my initial thinking on Oracle-Sun, I had feared OO.o would be largely overlooked and left to its own community to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; 451 CAOS Links 2009.04.24</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-402124</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; 451 CAOS Links 2009.04.24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] days off) you probably noticed that Oracle announced an agreement to acquire Sun this week. Jay delivered our assessment on Oracle&#8217;s open source credentials, while I followed up with some thoughts on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] days off) you probably noticed that Oracle announced an agreement to acquire Sun this week. Jay delivered our assessment on Oracle&#8217;s open source credentials, while I followed up with some thoughts on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Vescuso</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-401167</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Vescuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay makes a number of interesting points in his analysis of the Oracle/Sun deal, especially here: &quot; So while Oracle has displayed an ability to participate in and benefit from open source software, I think its expectations and aspirations for open source software are limited. You can’t blame a company making billions for not getting too excited about millions, especially when sometimes the millions are simply numbers of users. Nevertheless, Sun is sitting on top of some of the most pervasive, disruptive and popular open source software used in the enterprise today.&quot;
 
We think two pieces of this comment - the references to billions/millions and the acknowledgement that Sun&#039;s assets are disruptive - bear further examination.
 
Black Duck took a look at the macroeconomic impact of open source software (  http://www.blackducksoftware.com/development-cost-of-open-source  ) and we think the real numbers are higher - in the billions, if you look at development costs. While Sun doesn&#039;t account for all those dollars the point is that open source is a huge resource for developers, and we believe Oracle is betting on the right horse by acquiring Sun and backing open source. Also those millions of users grow every day as open source becomes more widely adopted in the enterprise. This is where the disruptive point comes in. Open source is disruptive because it lets enterprises do more, faster, through integration of open source with other code. Re-use of open source not only shaves costs, it encourages innovation, which can lead to the development of more disruptive technology.
 
We don&#039;t think Oracle has bought open source by acquiring Sun, but we do think that this deal points to the long-term value of open source to large enterprises. We hope this deal signals Oracle&#039;s intent to increase its participation in the open source community, and demonstrates that its expectations for open source are unlimited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay makes a number of interesting points in his analysis of the Oracle/Sun deal, especially here: &#8221; So while Oracle has displayed an ability to participate in and benefit from open source software, I think its expectations and aspirations for open source software are limited. You can’t blame a company making billions for not getting too excited about millions, especially when sometimes the millions are simply numbers of users. Nevertheless, Sun is sitting on top of some of the most pervasive, disruptive and popular open source software used in the enterprise today.&#8221;</p>
<p>We think two pieces of this comment &#8211; the references to billions/millions and the acknowledgement that Sun&#8217;s assets are disruptive &#8211; bear further examination.</p>
<p>Black Duck took a look at the macroeconomic impact of open source software (  <a href="http://www.blackducksoftware.com/development-cost-of-open-source" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackducksoftware.com/development-cost-of-open-source</a>  ) and we think the real numbers are higher &#8211; in the billions, if you look at development costs. While Sun doesn&#8217;t account for all those dollars the point is that open source is a huge resource for developers, and we believe Oracle is betting on the right horse by acquiring Sun and backing open source. Also those millions of users grow every day as open source becomes more widely adopted in the enterprise. This is where the disruptive point comes in. Open source is disruptive because it lets enterprises do more, faster, through integration of open source with other code. Re-use of open source not only shaves costs, it encourages innovation, which can lead to the development of more disruptive technology.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t think Oracle has bought open source by acquiring Sun, but we do think that this deal points to the long-term value of open source to large enterprises. We hope this deal signals Oracle&#8217;s intent to increase its participation in the open source community, and demonstrates that its expectations for open source are unlimited.</p>
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		<title>By: Três em um &#124; Fudeblog by Cesar Cardoso</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-400829</link>
		<dc:creator>Três em um &#124; Fudeblog by Cesar Cardoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] em termos de abertura do Java, já se preparando para um fork. E em termos de software livre, fico com o 451 Group: baixar as expectativas, porque afinal a Oracle é uma empresa sólida de software [...]</description>
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		<title>By: adam hartung</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-400792</link>
		<dc:creator>adam hartung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun had no hope of survival by the late 1990s when McNeely Locked-in on selling &quot;boxes&quot; and stopped listening to the marketplace. Sun created huge value with Solaris and Java, but had no idea how to capture that value so it just kept doing what it always did. Eventually, the market didn&#039;t see the value in the boxes any more, and the value of Solaris and Java had been frittered away. A lesson for any company that it must adapt to market needs or it will be squashed. Read more at http://WWW.ThePhoenixPrinciple.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun had no hope of survival by the late 1990s when McNeely Locked-in on selling &#8220;boxes&#8221; and stopped listening to the marketplace. Sun created huge value with Solaris and Java, but had no idea how to capture that value so it just kept doing what it always did. Eventually, the market didn&#8217;t see the value in the boxes any more, and the value of Solaris and Java had been frittered away. A lesson for any company that it must adapt to market needs or it will be squashed. Read more at <a href="http://WWW.ThePhoenixPrinciple.com" rel="nofollow">http://WWW.ThePhoenixPrinciple.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pages tagged "jay"</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-400773</link>
		<dc:creator>Pages tagged "jay"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Links 21/04/2009: Android Sub-notebooks Appear, MAFIAA Smears the FSF &#124; All about MICROSOFT</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-400767</link>
		<dc:creator>Links 21/04/2009: Android Sub-notebooks Appear, MAFIAA Smears the FSF &#124; All about MICROSOFT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links 21/04/2009: Android Sub-notebooks Appear, MAFIAA Smears the FSF &#124; All about MICROSOFT</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-400768</link>
		<dc:creator>Links 21/04/2009: Android Sub-notebooks Appear, MAFIAA Smears the FSF &#124; All about MICROSOFT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links 21/04/2009: Android Sub-notebooks Appear, MAFIAA Smears the FSF &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-400754</link>
		<dc:creator>Links 21/04/2009: Android Sub-notebooks Appear, MAFIAA Smears the FSF &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory » Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source? &#124; Computer Internet and Technology Articles.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-400708</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory » Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source? &#124; Computer Internet and Technology Articles.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More here:  451 CAOS Theory » Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oracle compra Sun: quale destino per MySQL? &#124; PettiNix</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-400422</link>
		<dc:creator>Oracle compra Sun: quale destino per MySQL? &#124; PettiNix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] da 451 CAOS Theory arriva un&#8217;attenta analisi del fenomeno in un articolo in cui vengono anche messi in evidenza [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; 451 CAOS Theory » Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source? &#187; Free Software</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-399896</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; 451 CAOS Theory » Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source? &#187; Free Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] news by Jay Lyman           &#171; Linux RAID &#8212; Performance of a software raid 5 Linux Software Developers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory » Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source?&#160;&#124;&#160;Open Hacking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/04/20/oracle-buys-sun-but-does-it-buy-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-399888</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory » Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source?&#160;&#124;&#160;Open Hacking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here:  451 CAOS Theory » Oracle buys Sun, but does it buy open source?    This entry was posted on Monday, April 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pm and is filed under Linux, News, [...]</description>
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