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		<title>By: Linux Foundation News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 451 Group: Microsoft realigning closer to open source</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/05/19/microsoft-realigning-closer-to-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-411003</link>
		<dc:creator>Linux Foundation News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 451 Group: Microsoft realigning closer to open source</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jay Lyman writes: &#8220;Microsoft is involved in open source software again, most recently continuing its realignment... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Lyman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/05/19/microsoft-realigning-closer-to-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-410977</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Lyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for weighing in James,

I think the acceptance that Microsoft has changed combined with the persisting, healthy suspicion the company is actually trying to hurt open source in the end shows a couple of things. First, Microsoft is indeed a very large company itself, and this means not only mixed messages, but mixed strategies as well. Second, I think the real change is that Microsoft is now contributing to the legitimacy of open source software by forging long-term deals and projects (Novell AND Red Hat and many others). At the same time, it is true that Microsoft is continuing an aggressive patent and IP-licensing business that does at times involve Linux and open source. However, I think Microsoft&#039;s licensing strategy is more about leveraging its IP wherever it can. If it can do so while avoiding attacks on open source software projects and vendors, I believe it will.

JL

(I&#039;ve posted this same response at your blog, as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for weighing in James,</p>
<p>I think the acceptance that Microsoft has changed combined with the persisting, healthy suspicion the company is actually trying to hurt open source in the end shows a couple of things. First, Microsoft is indeed a very large company itself, and this means not only mixed messages, but mixed strategies as well. Second, I think the real change is that Microsoft is now contributing to the legitimacy of open source software by forging long-term deals and projects (Novell AND Red Hat and many others). At the same time, it is true that Microsoft is continuing an aggressive patent and IP-licensing business that does at times involve Linux and open source. However, I think Microsoft&#8217;s licensing strategy is more about leveraging its IP wherever it can. If it can do so while avoiding attacks on open source software projects and vendors, I believe it will.</p>
<p>JL</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve posted this same response at your blog, as well).</p>
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		<title>By: David Dennis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/05/19/microsoft-realigning-closer-to-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-410960</link>
		<dc:creator>David Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to disagree with James, at least somewhat.  I do see evidence of change at Microsoft, or at least within certain divisions therein. To put a more poetic spin on it:

&quot;Do I contradict myself? Very well, then, I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.&quot; Walt Whitman, Song of Myself

Walt Whitman aside, I see two additional areas of tangible open source traction at Microsoft:

1. The use of Open Pegasus (http://www.openpegasus.org/) within Microsoft System Center.

2. The upcoming greatly expanded Cross Platform (X-Plat) extensions to Microsoft SCOM to allow native OS monitoring for a small, but critical, set of Linuxes, namely RHEL and SLES.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to disagree with James, at least somewhat.  I do see evidence of change at Microsoft, or at least within certain divisions therein. To put a more poetic spin on it:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do I contradict myself? Very well, then, I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.&#8221; Walt Whitman, Song of Myself</p>
<p>Walt Whitman aside, I see two additional areas of tangible open source traction at Microsoft:</p>
<p>1. The use of Open Pegasus (<a href="http://www.openpegasus.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.openpegasus.org/</a>) within Microsoft System Center.</p>
<p>2. The upcoming greatly expanded Cross Platform (X-Plat) extensions to Microsoft SCOM to allow native OS monitoring for a small, but critical, set of Linuxes, namely RHEL and SLES.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Is Microsoft Changing Their Open Source Strategy? &#171; James Dixon&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/05/19/microsoft-realigning-closer-to-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-410950</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Microsoft Changing Their Open Source Strategy? &#171; James Dixon&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Dixon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/05/19/microsoft-realigning-closer-to-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-410948</link>
		<dc:creator>James Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you are right but I don&#039;t agree with your reasoning.

You can read my full take on Microsoft&#039;s open source strategy here - http://jamesdixon.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/microsofts-open-source-strategy-i-think

Microsoft and the Linux Foundation are aligned against a common enemy in the ALI, it does not change anything between Microsoft and Linux or open source.

Microsoft learned 10 years ago that it is counter-productive to market against open source. You are correct that Microsoft is not targeting open source, instead they are targeting the users of open source (like TomTom). They can&#039;t scare open source (code) into paying Microsoft, but they can scare users into doing that.

Microsoft&#039;s ideal situation if for us to either pay to use their software, or pay to use a licensed open source product that pays royalties to Microsoft. The Novell deal is a good example of the latter, and now TomTom.

You say that Microsoft has not made any IP accusations for &#039;quite some time&#039;. The TomTom suit only started 4 months ago and ended in March. That is a very short time in legal circles. I think it is very premature to say that Microsoft has abandoned a strategy they spent 10 years building up.

As far as I am aware Codeplex does not contain any Microsoft code - &#039;CodePlex is hosted by Microsoft. Microsoft does not control, review, revise, endorse or distribute the third party projects on this site.&#039;

What&#039;s worse Microsoft&#039;s &#039;shared source&#039; is for reference only. If you happen to copy any code fragments from it you could be facing a legal battle - &#039;You are warned that when you build a run-time image based on an OS design that contains shared source code, your run-time image might contain private code that cannot be released in a product under the terms of the Microsoft EULA&#039;

Microsoft is certainly changing. A few years ago they did not have a discernible open source strategy (but I think they were working on it for years). Since then they have made their strategy known and they started to execute on it (Novell, TomTom). I see no evidence lately that they have given up that strategy.

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you are right but I don&#8217;t agree with your reasoning.</p>
<p>You can read my full take on Microsoft&#8217;s open source strategy here &#8211; <a href="http://jamesdixon.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/microsofts-open-source-strategy-i-think" rel="nofollow">http://jamesdixon.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/microsofts-open-source-strategy-i-think</a></p>
<p>Microsoft and the Linux Foundation are aligned against a common enemy in the ALI, it does not change anything between Microsoft and Linux or open source.</p>
<p>Microsoft learned 10 years ago that it is counter-productive to market against open source. You are correct that Microsoft is not targeting open source, instead they are targeting the users of open source (like TomTom). They can&#8217;t scare open source (code) into paying Microsoft, but they can scare users into doing that.</p>
<p>Microsoft&#8217;s ideal situation if for us to either pay to use their software, or pay to use a licensed open source product that pays royalties to Microsoft. The Novell deal is a good example of the latter, and now TomTom.</p>
<p>You say that Microsoft has not made any IP accusations for &#8216;quite some time&#8217;. The TomTom suit only started 4 months ago and ended in March. That is a very short time in legal circles. I think it is very premature to say that Microsoft has abandoned a strategy they spent 10 years building up.</p>
<p>As far as I am aware Codeplex does not contain any Microsoft code &#8211; &#8216;CodePlex is hosted by Microsoft. Microsoft does not control, review, revise, endorse or distribute the third party projects on this site.&#8217;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse Microsoft&#8217;s &#8216;shared source&#8217; is for reference only. If you happen to copy any code fragments from it you could be facing a legal battle &#8211; &#8216;You are warned that when you build a run-time image based on an OS design that contains shared source code, your run-time image might contain private code that cannot be released in a product under the terms of the Microsoft EULA&#8217;</p>
<p>Microsoft is certainly changing. A few years ago they did not have a discernible open source strategy (but I think they were working on it for years). Since then they have made their strategy known and they started to execute on it (Novell, TomTom). I see no evidence lately that they have given up that strategy.</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 03:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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