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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open Core vs Open Source vs Proprietary Software , Fauxpen Source, Open Source Business models etc.. are continuous discussions and the best part is that you probably know all the usual suspects involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Core vs Open Source vs Proprietary Software , Fauxpen Source, Open Source Business models etc.. are continuous discussions and the best part is that you probably know all the usual suspects involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Everything is a Freaking DNS problem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everything is a Freaking DNS problem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Open Source, Open Core, Open ScoreCards...&lt;/strong&gt;

There is this  constant discussion about Open Core vs Open Source vs Proprietary Software , Fauxpen Source, Open Source  Business models etc.. you probably know all the usual  suspects involved,  first up lets agree that nobody will ever agree on what...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Open Source, Open Core, Open ScoreCards&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>There is this  constant discussion about Open Core vs Open Source vs Proprietary Software , Fauxpen Source, Open Source  Business models etc.. you probably know all the usual  suspects involved,  first up lets agree that nobody will ever agree on what&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo Daffara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo Daffara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The debate is returning, more and more, and I believe that while it is true that it may not be interesting for the majority of OSS users, the fact that it continues to emerge means that the basic foundation of how OSS is delivered remains unclear. My view is that it is important for users to understand their rights, and for companies not to abuse &quot;open&quot; in a way that may be misleading. If a customer wants an open core solution because it makes more sense for him/her, then it&#039;s not a problem; when a customer buy a non-open solution believing it to be within his full control, then there is a problem. I remark the fact that when we performed the FLOSSMETRICS study, we had to remove around 10% of companies claiming to be open source, but under non-OSS licenses, or flatly denying access to the source code. That is a very high percentage, and I believe that lots of customers may fall for this. However, on the other side, I believe that a checklist should be something that the customer uses to evaluate vendors, but not something that may be imposed from the outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate is returning, more and more, and I believe that while it is true that it may not be interesting for the majority of OSS users, the fact that it continues to emerge means that the basic foundation of how OSS is delivered remains unclear. My view is that it is important for users to understand their rights, and for companies not to abuse &#8220;open&#8221; in a way that may be misleading. If a customer wants an open core solution because it makes more sense for him/her, then it&#8217;s not a problem; when a customer buy a non-open solution believing it to be within his full control, then there is a problem. I remark the fact that when we performed the FLOSSMETRICS study, we had to remove around 10% of companies claiming to be open source, but under non-OSS licenses, or flatly denying access to the source code. That is a very high percentage, and I believe that lots of customers may fall for this. However, on the other side, I believe that a checklist should be something that the customer uses to evaluate vendors, but not something that may be imposed from the outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Lyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Lyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is much value in this discussion, even though I think we may also be hearing from opposite ends of the spectrum from &#039;let&#039;s have a yardstick for sw freedom and openness among vendors&#039; to &#039;let&#039;s not have the free software vs. open source debate respun as a fight over measuring openness of specific vendors or business models.&#039;

In the end, I believe the market will determine whether vendors and other users of open source software are being true to free and open source software and its licensing and communities in both letter and spirit. What happens when a company comes out with something it calls open source? One of my first questions is what license? For this, we can thank the OSI and a widely-accepted, standard definition of open source. However, to apply a similar definition to particular vendors or business models may serve to limit the business models or vendors that are considered open source or that rely on open source. I believe that open source software developers, and increasingly users both large and small, are well aware of what open source is supposed to be -- freedom, flexibility, lower cost, customizable, etc. As we remind open source vendors when we warn against canceling out open source advantages, these groups are usually quite active and vocal, and are capable on their own of determining which players are for real in open source, and which are not.

JL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is much value in this discussion, even though I think we may also be hearing from opposite ends of the spectrum from &#8216;let&#8217;s have a yardstick for sw freedom and openness among vendors&#8217; to &#8216;let&#8217;s not have the free software vs. open source debate respun as a fight over measuring openness of specific vendors or business models.&#8217;</p>
<p>In the end, I believe the market will determine whether vendors and other users of open source software are being true to free and open source software and its licensing and communities in both letter and spirit. What happens when a company comes out with something it calls open source? One of my first questions is what license? For this, we can thank the OSI and a widely-accepted, standard definition of open source. However, to apply a similar definition to particular vendors or business models may serve to limit the business models or vendors that are considered open source or that rely on open source. I believe that open source software developers, and increasingly users both large and small, are well aware of what open source is supposed to be &#8212; freedom, flexibility, lower cost, customizable, etc. As we remind open source vendors when we warn against canceling out open source advantages, these groups are usually quite active and vocal, and are capable on their own of determining which players are for real in open source, and which are not.</p>
<p>JL</p>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory » Approving and disapproving open source business &#8230;&#160;&#124;&#160;Open Hacking</title>
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		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory » Approving and disapproving open source business &#8230;&#160;&#124;&#160;Open Hacking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the original here: 451 CAOS Theory » Approving and disapproving open source business &#8230;    This entry was posted on Friday, October 9th, 2009 at 4:58 am and is filed under Linux, News, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You work for an open-core company, so of course the customers you talk to don&#039;t care about it.  Many of /our/ customers do, however.

This debate wouldn&#039;t be happening so often if few people cared, so apparently they really do.  The people that benefit from blurring the line are going to be happy to have the debate go away, because the line stays blurred.  The people that benefit from hilighting the differences between open core and fully open source software are going to want to keep the subject up until more folks are educated on the differences.

To say &quot;let&#039;s stop talking about it&quot; is to tell Coke and Pepsi to stop having advertising, &#039;cause everyone already knows whether they like one more than the other.  That point-of-view forgets that the likely outcome if one of them stopped advertising is that in 20 years they&#039;d be as well known as RC.

Educating the market about the differences is and I expect will always be important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You work for an open-core company, so of course the customers you talk to don&#8217;t care about it.  Many of /our/ customers do, however.</p>
<p>This debate wouldn&#8217;t be happening so often if few people cared, so apparently they really do.  The people that benefit from blurring the line are going to be happy to have the debate go away, because the line stays blurred.  The people that benefit from hilighting the differences between open core and fully open source software are going to want to keep the subject up until more folks are educated on the differences.</p>
<p>To say &#8220;let&#8217;s stop talking about it&#8221; is to tell Coke and Pepsi to stop having advertising, &#8217;cause everyone already knows whether they like one more than the other.  That point-of-view forgets that the likely outcome if one of them stopped advertising is that in 20 years they&#8217;d be as well known as RC.</p>
<p>Educating the market about the differences is and I expect will always be important.</p>
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		<title>By: Computer Internet and Technology Articles. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 451 CAOS Theory » Approving and disapproving open source business &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Computer Internet and Technology Articles. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 451 CAOS Theory » Approving and disapproving open source business &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Asay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Asay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure why we are even talking about talking about this debate.  It&#039;s something that a few open-source people care about, and 99.9999999999999999999% of the planet could not possibly care less about  Customers don&#039;t care.  They really don&#039;t.  At all.  I used to think they did.  Then I started talking to them.  I was wrong.

Let&#039;s move on.  Customers aren&#039;t stupid.  They know what they want.  And they can determine if something is open enough for them, and how it&#039;s open and how it&#039;s closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why we are even talking about talking about this debate.  It&#8217;s something that a few open-source people care about, and 99.9999999999999999999% of the planet could not possibly care less about  Customers don&#8217;t care.  They really don&#8217;t.  At all.  I used to think they did.  Then I started talking to them.  I was wrong.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s move on.  Customers aren&#8217;t stupid.  They know what they want.  And they can determine if something is open enough for them, and how it&#8217;s open and how it&#8217;s closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Aslett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Aslett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agree, although I fear some other people might use this as a stick to beat particular vendors with. I think if the benefits of software freedom are explained in both &quot;ethical&quot; and business terms then it can act as a carrot, rather than a stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree, although I fear some other people might use this as a stick to beat particular vendors with. I think if the benefits of software freedom are explained in both &#8220;ethical&#8221; and business terms then it can act as a carrot, rather than a stick.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Approving and disapproving open source business strategies. Yes or no? &#187; Free Software</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Approving and disapproving open source business strategies. Yes or no? &#187; Free Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Simon Phipps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Phipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think approving or rejecting &quot;business strategies&quot; is the way to go either. However, it&#039;s clear that certain things promote software freedom - using an OSI-approved license, for example, or having a patent-peace arrangement for a community. It was a great idea to have an &quot;Open Source License Definition&quot; and grade projects against it. My proposal is to simply extend that approach to other areas of software freedom. I don&#039;t think any project or business is likely to score 10/10 and that&#039;s OK as long as it&#039;s clear from the start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think approving or rejecting &#8220;business strategies&#8221; is the way to go either. However, it&#8217;s clear that certain things promote software freedom &#8211; using an OSI-approved license, for example, or having a patent-peace arrangement for a community. It was a great idea to have an &#8220;Open Source License Definition&#8221; and grade projects against it. My proposal is to simply extend that approach to other areas of software freedom. I don&#8217;t think any project or business is likely to score 10/10 and that&#8217;s OK as long as it&#8217;s clear from the start.</p>
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